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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2016 20:50:59 GMT
Thanks to Anna for this link. I got it from one of her earlier posts but not sure where. It is just an outstanding history lesson about Islam. Every citizen of every western country should be required to watch this, take notes, watch it again, take more notes, and then pass a test to assure that they've learned the material. This fills in a lot of gaps in our history lessons from school. It is 45 minutes long and well worth your time. Watch it now, then watch it again. If you want to know more about Dr. Bill Warner, you can find that information here drbillwarner.comI have followed the videos of Dr. Bill Warner for a long time. There are many people who are upset with him, that is, those who are apologists for Islam, but I have never seen the facts of his presentations refuted. People often get mad at them, but they cannot refute them. He has many videos on many subjects and his lead in statement is, “ . . . My mission is to educate the world about the doctrine and history of Political Islam. I deal with facts, not opinions. . . . “ His primary site is politicalislam.com but do go to the site offered here as drbillwarner.com/ it has a great deal of information.
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Post by blc on Jun 15, 2016 21:04:02 GMT
Thanks to Anna for this link. I got it from one of her earlier posts but not sure where. It is just an outstanding history lesson about Islam. Every citizen of every western country should be required to watch this, take notes, watch it again, take more notes, and then pass a test to assure that they've learned the material. This fills in a lot of gaps in our history lessons from school. It is 45 minutes long and well worth your time. Watch it now, then watch it again. If you want to know more about Dr. Bill Warner, you can find that information here drbillwarner.comI have followed the videos of Dr. Bill Warner for a long time. There are many people who are upset with him, that is, those who are apologists for Islam, but I have never seen the facts of his presentations refuted. People often get mad at them, but they cannot refute them. He has many videos on many subjects and his lead in statement is, “ . . . My mission is to educate the world about the doctrine and history of Political Islam. I deal with facts, not opinions. . . . “ His primary site is politicalislam.com but do go to the site offered here as drbillwarner.com/ it has a great deal of information. When they can't refute it, that is when they go after the messenger.
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Post by Big Lin on Jun 15, 2016 21:39:47 GMT
Speaking as someone who has been called more than once 'an apologist for Islam,' (as well as, on another forum, 'an Islamophobe), I have to say that a) it's just name calling rather than rational argument; b) I might as well call Warner et all 'apologists for Islamophobia.'
The essential core of their belief system is that millions of people are followers of an evil religion that enjoins them to kill, rape and various other kinds of bad actions.
Now if that was true isn't it funny that the MAJORITY of Muslims DON'T behave like that?
Islam, like any other belief system I've ever examined, has things in it with which I agree and others with which I don't.
It's however important to STOP pushing the downright LIE that Islam is a monolithic system where all those who claim to be believers have the same ideology.
It's also important to STOP pushing the downright LIE that Islam is not open to interpretation.
For a start there are two principal sects - Sunni and Shia - and each is subdivided into numerous other sects.
Second, even the Quran is disputed by Muslim scholars and Muslim clerics (a frequent form of argument when interpretations are disputed is to argue by analogy or to argue by abrogation).
Thirdly, the deliberate PRETENCE that there is a single Sharia law when in fact there are SEVEN schools of Sharia law all with different takes on it (and even more sub-schools) again is a dishonest lie.
Let's have some honesty and respect for facts rather than blindly following prejudice and ignorance.
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Post by DAS (formerly BushAdmirer) on Jun 15, 2016 23:07:48 GMT
During WWII most Americans and Brits had an extremely negative view of Germans. Of course, they knew that many Germans were nice people and it was only the committed Nazis who were truly evil. However, at that time, with the bombing of London, and all the horrors, it was difficult to separate German's from Nazis. They seemed to be one and the same during the war.
At least we had a word, "Nazi," that could identify that element of German society that was truly evil.
I see Islam in the same way. Islam is like Germany back then with many good people but a lot of bad ones too. The difference is that we don't have a word, like Nazi, to identify the bad within the good.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2016 6:31:40 GMT
During WWII most Americans and Brits had an extremely negative view of Germans. Of course, they knew that many Germans were nice people and it was only the committed Nazis who were truly evil. However, at that time, with the bombing of London, and all the horrors, it was difficult to separate German's from Nazis. They seemed to be one and the same during the war. At least we had a word, "Nazi," that could identify that element of German society that was truly evil. I see Islam in the same way. Islam is like Germany back then with many good people but a lot of bad ones too. The difference is that we don't have a word, like Nazi, to identify the bad within the good. Yes we do , the word is ISIS !!
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Post by DAS (formerly BushAdmirer) on Jun 16, 2016 13:28:09 GMT
During WWII most Americans and Brits had an extremely negative view of Germans. Of course, they knew that many Germans were nice people and it was only the committed Nazis who were truly evil. However, at that time, with the bombing of London, and all the horrors, it was difficult to separate German's from Nazis. They seemed to be one and the same during the war. At least we had a word, "Nazi," that could identify that element of German society that was truly evil. I see Islam in the same way. Islam is like Germany back then with many good people but a lot of bad ones too. The difference is that we don't have a word, like Nazi, to identify the bad within the good. Yes we do , the word is ISIS !! No Gibby, ISIS is only a subset of Muslims with a bad attitude. There are many other organized groups like Al Queda, Boko Haram, the Taliban, and many more. There are also a very large number (millions) of Muslims who are not members of any of those terrorist groups but who sympathize with them For instance, Pakistan has many devout Muslims who are all in favor of stoning adulterers, female genetalia mutilation, honor killings, etc.. You could see joy in the streets of Palestine when the 9/11 attacks occurred. There are many wealthy Muslims in Saudi Arabia, Qatar, etc. who've contributed funding to groups like Al Queda. There are also many silent Muslims who don't come forward when they observe bad attitudes. For example, the Paris attackers had sympathizers in Belgium who would help them hide from authorities.The Iranian government funds terrorist activities and provides weapons to the Hezbollah group. I would not put any of these folks into the 'good Muslim' camp.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2016 17:26:19 GMT
Yes we do , the word is ISIS !! No Gibby, ISIS is only a subset of Muslims with a bad attitude. There are many other organized groups like Al Queda, Boko Haram, the Taliban, and many more. There are also a very large number (millions) of Muslims who are not members of any of those terrorist groups but who sympathize with them For instance, Pakistan has many devout Muslims who are all in favor of stoning adulterers, female genetalia mutilation, honor killings, etc.. You could see joy in the streets of Palestine when the 9/11 attacks occurred. There are many wealthy Muslims in Saudi Arabia, Qatar, etc. who've contributed funding to groups like Al Queda. There are also many silent Muslims who don't come forward when they observe bad attitudes. For example, the Paris attackers had sympathizers in Belgium who would help them hide from authorities.The Iranian government funds terrorist activities and provides weapons to the Hezbollah group. I would not put any of these folks into the 'good Muslim' camp. Same as the nazis and their sympathisers and those who said nothing etc it's the same
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Post by ♫anna♫ on Jun 16, 2016 19:14:27 GMT
You're absolutely correct DAS (formerly BushAdmirer) ! The massive Iranian executions of innocent people in the name of Islam have nothing to do with ISIS. Not to mention state supported pedophile rapes in Yemen, Saudi Arabia, etc..etc..
Political correctness is Islam's biggest enabler and whitewasher in the Western world.
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Post by ♫anna♫ on Jun 16, 2016 19:22:01 GMT
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Post by Big Lin on Jun 16, 2016 21:13:40 GMT
Lots of things are killing the country; political correctness ia about no 25 on the list. Let's get some sense of priorities!
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Post by ♫anna♫ on Jun 16, 2016 23:10:57 GMT
Lots of things are killing the country; political correctness ia about no 25 on the list. Let's get some sense of priorities! Tolerance and apathy! The face of political correctness and the face of a dying civilisation.
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Post by Big Lin on Jun 17, 2016 0:01:24 GMT
Tolerance is the absolute OPPOSITE of political correctness.
Tolerance is always libertarian and political correctness is authoritarian.
Apathy is more common in authoritarian societies than libertarian ones too.
So it's conservatism that's the face of a dying civilisation and NOT liberalism.
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Post by DAS (formerly BushAdmirer) on Jun 17, 2016 0:27:32 GMT
Tolerance is the absolute OPPOSITE of political correctness. Tolerance is always libertarian and political correctness is authoritarian. Apathy is more common in authoritarian societies than libertarian ones too. So it's conservatism that's the face of a dying civilisation and NOT liberalism. Hi Lin - The problem with that view is that it is left leaning liberals who are the most intolerant and who militantly insist on political correctness.
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Post by ♫anna♫ on Jun 17, 2016 12:32:59 GMT
Tolerance is the absolute OPPOSITE of political correctness. Tolerance is always libertarian and political correctness is authoritarian. Apathy is more common in authoritarian societies than libertarian ones too. So it's conservatism that's the face of a dying civilisation and NOT liberalism. Political correctness is sycophantry towards anything that is opposed to Western civilisation and for these leftists that's "tolerance" and for those who are too scared to speak out it's apathy.
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Post by ♫anna♫ on Jun 28, 2016 0:21:32 GMT
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Post by ♫anna♫ on Jun 28, 2016 14:55:49 GMT
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Post by ♫anna♫ on Jun 29, 2016 19:37:46 GMT
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Post by ♫anna♫ on Jul 1, 2016 6:23:12 GMT
Here's a poster some trick or treating children might see on Halloween.
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Post by ♫anna♫ on Jul 6, 2016 0:05:55 GMT
This video follows up exposing the fake civil rights lobbys.
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