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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2016 18:16:15 GMT
I live in a multi cultural society with Muslims it's been this way ever since I was born and we live quit happily together , my best friend is a Muslim she acts damn well nicer and more decent than a lot of Christians I've had the Mia fortune to know . There is a very big and real distinction between the extremists and the moderate Muslims my community is living proof of that . That's the reality what is so hard to comprehed about the FACT that it doesn't matter how nice your friend might be. she is obviously not a true muslim. REALITY hon. true believers of ANY religion follow at least the basic commandments of that religion. the primary, the most basic commandment of the cult called islam, coming directly from allah, is that EVERY true muslim is required to murder or enslave EVERY non muslim that they encounter. obviously, the ONLY trrue muslims are the terrorists. the simple fact is that even most of those who are not actively true muslims support those who are. tell me just one muzzie leader who has publicly stated that the danish cartoonist, and everyone else, have the right to mock the baby raper if they so desire. tell me just one muzzie leader who has publicly stated that the afghans have no right to riot because somebody is burning a qu'ran. all of those of you who think the muzzies are just perfectly nice people need to learn a little about what you're talking about rather than just parroting the pc stupidity Again more bollocks !
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2016 18:17:20 GMT
Gibby offered: “ . . . I live in a multi cultural society with Muslims it's been this way ever since I was born and we live quit happily together , my best friend is a Muslim she acts damn well nicer and more decent than a lot of Christians I've had the Mia fortune to know . There is a very big and real distinction between the extremists and the moderate Muslims my community is living proof of that . That's the reality . . . “ Gibby, do you believe that one can be a Muslim and not follow the Qur’an? Do you believe that a believer in Islam can be a believer and not believe in the Hadith? If they believe in these books and the five Pillars, then they will believe in Jihad. As I said before Jihad is of four types and not all are to subject to terrorist Jihad but all subject to the establishing of sharia law everywhere. If they do not believe in these things, then I submit, they are ‘fallen’ Muslims, and as such are declared Apostates of Islam. The first paragraph of the site, “Refugee From Islam” (http://freedomdefense.typepad.com/leave-islam/) states, “ . . . If you are thinking of leaving Islam, be wary, be careful. Do not tell your Muslim friends or family. The Qur'an commands your death for leaving Islam (4:89 calls for the murder of renegades from the faith), and Muhammad is explicit in a hadith: "If anyone changes his religion, kill him" (Bukhari). Many, many 'honor killings' have been committed for "crimes" that are in Islamic law considered far less serious than leaving Islam. . . . “ Many of us have had contact with Muslims, in business, casually within the community, as personal acquaintances, you are not unique in contacts with Muslims. Even so, if it comes to a difference between their friends and the Qur’an the Qur’an will dominate or they are Apostate of Islam. Well there are plenty of Christians who call themselves Christians who don't follow all of the bible either so that argument don't wash with me . She is a Muslim .
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2016 18:18:28 GMT
You really do talk a load of bollocks , i can only give you the truth hon. i cannot, and wouldn't were i able to, force you to open your eyes and accept it. i turn on the light for you, but, when you choose to continue to keep your eyes closed, the bruises and contusions that you suffer as a result of your stumbling around in the darkness are totally on you It's your idea of the truth which is a distorted one .
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2016 18:19:25 GMT
I live in a multi cultural society with Muslims it's been this way ever since I was born and we live quit happily together , my best friend is a Muslim she acts damn well nicer and more decent than a lot of Christians I've had the Mia fortune to know . There is a very big and real distinction between the extremists and the moderate Muslims my community is living proof of that . That's the reality what is so hard to comprehed about the FACT that it doesn't matter how nice your friend might be. she is obviously not a true muslim. REALITY hon. true believers of ANY religion follow at least the basic commandments of that religion. the primary, the most basic commandment of the cult called islam, coming directly from allah, is that EVERY true muslim is required to murder or enslave EVERY non muslim that they encounter. obviously, the ONLY trrue muslims are the terrorists. the simple fact is that even most of those who are not actively true muslims support those who are. tell me just one muzzie leader who has publicly stated that the danish cartoonist, and everyone else, have the right to mock the baby raper if they so desire. tell me just one muzzie leader who has publicly stated that the afghans have no right to riot because somebody is burning a qu'ran. all of those of you who think the muzzies are just perfectly nice people need to learn a little about what you're talking about rather than just parroting the pc stupidity The majority of Muslims are perfectly nice people .
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Post by DAS (formerly BushAdmirer) on May 16, 2016 18:30:10 GMT
Gibby: [/quote]I live in a multi cultural society with Muslims it's been this way ever since I was born and we live quit happily together , my best friend is a Muslim she acts damn well nicer and more decent than a lot of Christians I've had the Mia fortune to know . There is a very big and real distinction between the extremists and the moderate Muslims my community is living proof of that . That's the reality [/quote]
Gibby - I don't doubt the veracity of your views here. However, I seriously doubt that your good friend is really a practicing Muslim. Perhaps a Muslim in name only. Perhaps a head scarf wearer giving lip service to Islam and that's all.
Real Muslims have an obligation to follow the Quran literally. Unlike the Holy Bible, the Quran is consider the actual words of god and not what men have written about god, as with the Bible. A real Muslim doesn't get to pick and choose which parts of the religion he or she will abide by. They're obliged to practice all the basics including praying five times a day, taking the trip to Mecca once in their lifetime, avoiding friendships with unbelievers like you, embracing Jihad, following Sharia law which takes priority over the laws of every nation state, etc. There are other practices, not written in the Quran, that have become socially obligatory in Muslim circles. Hating Jews and Zionists would be near the top of that list.
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2016 20:48:33 GMT
Gibby, offered, “ . . . Well there are plenty of Christians who call themselves Christians who don't follow all of the bible either so that argument don't wash with me. She is a Muslim. . . “
Gibby, you’re comparing apples and oranges, and that is (in my opinion) disrespectful to Muslims.
The Muslim ‘must’ follow the words of the Qur’an as they ‘are’ the revealed word of God. Through the Angel Gabriel direct to the last Prophet, Muhammad. This is to be taken as the words of the Qur’an as read and then say them are as if direct from God to your ear. There is no interpretation possible. If there is any question of meaning the Muslim is to use the words of the Hadith which are the descriptions of Muhammad (the perfection of Islam) acting the Qur’an.
Christianity has no equivalent. The words of the bible are selected words (edited words) of inspired writers, a very different thing. Interpretation, beginning with which inspired writers are selected and what their words mean, has existed since the writings of Paul (about the years 50 to 75). Even then there are (among scholars) dialog as to which of Paul’s writings are his and which are not. Then too many of the writings were rejected, for example there are no writings by women which were selected.
In part this reality of Christianity exists due to another element that exists in Christianity that doesn’t exist in Islam. That is Free Will. In Christianity this exists as a necessity so that the individual can make the choice to become Christian or not. And even then whether to remain as a Christian or not. And that individual is free to return to Christianity on his/her decision. Within this concept there exists interpretation of the writings of those who were inspired to write the Books of the Bible. That is why there are so many different versions of the Bible. And this doesn’t even address the impact of associated writings such as the writings of the Gnostics.
This is not true in Islam. There is the word of the Qur’an, that is, the revealed words of Allah. There is a major difference between the two sects of Islam (together they represent about 98 plus percent of all Muslims) and that is primarily how the current leader of Islam is selected.
But make no mistake, the individual Muslim must follow the words of Islam. During the month of Ramadan they should speak all the verses of the Qur’an and if possible in Arabic. Those not following these requirements are apostate and subject to a sentence of death. You don’t have to believe me, go to any Imam and ask them.
I also agree with the words of Iamjumbo and Bushadmirer with this caveat. With the Hadith associated with the Qur'an, those of Islam 'are' required to look down on the Jews. They allow them to practice their religion (as they are considered People of the Book) if they pay a ransom, but Muhammad when he went from Mecca to Medina murdered all of the males of an entire Jewish village, not because they physically resisted, but because they simply would not give up their Jewish religion. He and his (then) 12 year old wife sat and watched day after day as these males were killed and thrown in a trench. This is an example by the perfect Muslim (Muhammad) as recorded in the Hadith.
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Post by iamjumbo on May 16, 2016 21:20:17 GMT
I live in a multi cultural society with Muslims it's been this way ever since I was born and we live quit happily together , my best friend is a Muslim she acts damn well nicer and more decent than a lot of Christians I've had the Mia fortune to know . There is a very big and real distinction between the extremists and the moderate Muslims my community is living proof of that . That's the reality [/quote] Gibby - I don't doubt the veracity of your views here. However, I seriously doubt that your good friend is really a practicing Muslim. Perhaps a Muslim in name only. Perhaps a head scarf wearer giving lip service to Islam and that's all. Real Muslims have an obligation to follow the Quran literally. Unlike the Holy Bible, the Quran is consider the actual words of god and not what men have written about god, as with the Bible. A real Muslim doesn't get to pick and choose which parts of the religion he or she will abide by. They're obliged to practice all the basics including praying five times a day, taking the trip to Mecca once in their lifetime, avoiding friendships with unbelievers like you, embracing Jihad, following Sharia law which takes priority over the laws of every nation state, etc. There are other practices, not written in the Quran, that have become socially obligatory in Muslim circles. Hating Jews and Zionists would be near the top of that list.[/quote] the sad thing is that you are explaining reality, and gibby is averse to reality. like far too many europeans, she has been brainwashed by the pc nutjobs into believing the lies that they spew
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Post by iamjumbo on May 16, 2016 21:24:51 GMT
i can only give you the truth hon. i cannot, and wouldn't were i able to, force you to open your eyes and accept it. i turn on the light for you, but, when you choose to continue to keep your eyes closed, the bruises and contusions that you suffer as a result of your stumbling around in the darkness are totally on you It's your idea of the truth which is a distorted one . again, your mind has been warped like this
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Post by DAS (formerly BushAdmirer) on May 17, 2016 18:29:13 GMT
It's doubtful that Muhammed himself wrote the Koran or Qu'ran. Disturbing that some fundamentalist Muslim fanatics think these words still apply today.
The Quran isn't a huge book like the bible. It doesn't take that long to read it. I wish every politically correct Muslim apologist in America and Europe would read the Quran. One of the most highly respected English translations is "The Noble Quran" which you can find here quran7.comDon't have time to read the whole thing? Well at the very least you should have time to read just one of the verses or chapters. Here is just one sample excerpt: "Let not the believers take disbelievers for the friends in preference to believers. Who so doeth that has no connection with Allah. unless it be that ye guard yourselves against them, taking, as it were, security. Allah biddeth you beware only of himself. Unto Allah is the journeying."
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2016 19:24:27 GMT
It's doubtful that Muhammed himself wrote the Koran or Qu'ran. Disturbing that some fundamentalist Muslim fanatics think these words still apply today.
You are correct Anna that the Prophet Muhammad didn’t write the Qur’an in the sense of placing the words on paper. I believe that subsequent to the death of Muhammad the Third Caliph had all of his words collected among the people and the first Qur’an was published. These people who contributed to it were complete and total believers and they believed that the words spoken by Muhammad were the ‘revealed’ words of Allah. Meaning that no believer would edit those words in any manner. In a similar manner the Hadith was written by those who knew Muhammad and these were exact descriptions of his acts as the example of the perfect Muslim. While I believe the Qur’an to be the mumblings of a sick mind, that makes no difference. The Muslims believe the words of the Qur’an to be the revealed word of Allah and as such they cannot be changed or interpreted. Any doubts due to lack of understanding are cleared up by the words of the Hadith. If you have any doubt about this, do not believe me, go to the Imam of your friend and ask about this and that Imam will tell you as I have related here. If your friend doesn’t agree with this then she is a fallen Muslim, an apostate. In that event I would not ask her to go to the Imam. There are those of the West who assert that this is similar to the writing of the Bible. This a serious mistake. The Books of the Bible were written by inspired individuals and are not the revealed word God. They have been passed on through the generations and changed as the need saw fit to do so and have been affected by other beliefs. Your comment, “ . . . Disturbing that some fundamentalist Muslims think these words still apply today. . . “ demonstrates a complete lack of understanding of Islam. The revealed words of God (Allah) apply for all time and to every person. Those who claim to be Islamic and yet do not proclaim this to be true are apostate. If you really want to persist in not understanding this and want to make comparisons to Christianity, then I suggest that you compare the mandates of the Qur’an with the personal life of Paul and you will find similarities, not the savage and barbaric killings but the lack of tolerance.
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Post by ♫anna♫ on May 17, 2016 19:48:59 GMT
Actually I did read the Koran/Qu'ran as a teenager during a cold US winter. I was susprised at the correlations to the Old Testament.. the angels Gabriel, Michael, etc..
Personally I find the relationship to Muslims to be quite acceptable.
I DO NOT consider the recent Mideastern immigrants to be practicing Muslims, but rather largely barbaric consumerist hordes.
Muslims sense that I am not one of the politically correct sycophants who believes they can assimilate them with their feel good smiles, etc.. Both Muslims and myself share a mutual contempt for leftist assimilationist slimers. I bring the discussion to their culture and beliefs and inform myself. There is a mutual respect for borders and with this clear the communication is cordial and civil. Unlike the Swedes the Germans until recently only let moderate Muslims + Midesterners in, who could have been successful in their own countries. True like Italians, who don't wish to confront Mafia families, these Muslims avoid confronting extremists and may praise certain Taliban policies like shutting down illegal opium/heroin production.
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2016 21:46:00 GMT
Anna offered in part, “ . . . Actually I did read the Koran/Qu'ran as a teenager during a cold US winter. I was susprised at the correlations to the Old Testament. the angels Gabriel, Michael, etc. . . . . . . . . Personally I find the relationship to Muslims to be quite acceptable. . . “
Any similarities, correlations, familiarizations, between Islam and the old Testament should not be surprising as Islam considers its roots in Abraham as do Christians. Muslim scholars will say that many of the old (in Christianity) prophets learned things correctly but they twisted it up during the retelling or it was changed through the years. Moreover, this created the need for the ‘Last Prophet’ Muhammad to be taught the revealed word of God (Allah) and to correct the mistakes in current Christianity.
In truth any similarities between books of the Old Testament: (Torah or the Five Books of Moses: Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, and Deuteronomy) are relatively minor as the words of the Qur’an are, in my opinion, the words of a mad man. However, I say that not being a Muslim and for those who are of Islam they are the revealed words of God (Allah) and that point cannot be made enough times.
The name Qur’an (in any of its versions), means ‘the recitation which is definitive as part of being a Muslim, and five times daily of Prayer, during the month of Ramadan each Muslim should say aloud by reading (memorization is better) all of the verses (ayahs), from all chapters (suras) within the Qur’an. If the individual is able it is better to say them in Arabic as hearing the poetic sounds of these words is considered beautiful. Of course each Muslim is to visit Mecca at least once in their life.
I mention this to make the point that none of this is in anyway interpretive of the Qur’an and is meant to maintain in the mind of each Muslim the immutability of the Qur’an for all time. Again, those who are Muslim and have made compromise with Western culture as to the Qur’an and its teachings are Apostate. Because of this, those who try to make comparisons with Christianity and/or Western culture do so due to lack of knowledge of Islam.
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Post by iamjumbo on May 18, 2016 12:34:30 GMT
Anna offered in part, “ . . . Actually I did read the Koran/Qu'ran as a teenager during a cold US winter. I was susprised at the correlations to the Old Testament. the angels Gabriel, Michael, etc. . . . . . . . . Personally I find the relationship to Muslims to be quite acceptable. . . “ Any similarities, correlations, familiarizations, between Islam and the old Testament should not be surprising as Islam considers its roots in Abraham as do Christians. Muslim scholars will say that many of the old (in Christianity) prophets learned things correctly but they twisted it up during the retelling or it was changed through the years. Moreover, this created the need for the ‘Last Prophet’ Muhammad to be taught the revealed word of God (Allah) and to correct the mistakes in current Christianity. In truth any similarities between books of the Old Testament: (Torah or the Five Books of Moses: Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, and Deuteronomy) are relatively minor as the words of the Qur’an are, in my opinion, the words of a mad man. However, I say that not being a Muslim and for those who are of Islam they are the revealed words of God (Allah) and that point cannot be made enough times. The name Qur’an (in any of its versions), means ‘the recitation which is definitive as part of being a Muslim, and five times daily of Prayer, during the month of Ramadan each Muslim should say aloud by reading (memorization is better) all of the verses (ayahs), from all chapters (suras) within the Qur’an. If the individual is able it is better to say them in Arabic as hearing the poetic sounds of these words is considered beautiful. Of course each Muslim is to visit Mecca at least once in their life. I mention this to make the point that none of this is in anyway interpretive of the Qur’an and is meant to maintain in the mind of each Muslim the immutability of the Qur’an for all time. Again, those who are Muslim and have made compromise with Western culture as to the Qur’an and its teachings are Apostate. Because of this, those who try to make comparisons with Christianity and/or Western culture do so due to lack of knowledge of Islam. that is the thing. NO pc idiot who spews the stupidity that islam is peaceful have ever bothered reading the qu'ran. they don't have a clue as to what they are talking about. they do nothing but spew the abject stupidity that they've heard from the pc lunatics
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2016 15:35:57 GMT
Gibby offered: “ . . . I live in a multi cultural society with Muslims it's been this way ever since I was born and we live quit happily together , my best friend is a Muslim she acts damn well nicer and more decent than a lot of Christians I've had the Mia fortune to know . There is a very big and real distinction between the extremists and the moderate Muslims my community is living proof of that . That's the reality . . . “ Gibby, do you believe that one can be a Muslim and not follow the Qur’an? Do you believe that a believer in Islam can be a believer and not believe in the Hadith? If they believe in these books and the five Pillars, then they will believe in Jihad. As I said before Jihad is of four types and not all are to subject to terrorist Jihad but all subject to the establishing of sharia law everywhere. If they do not believe in these things, then I submit, they are ‘fallen’ Muslims, and as such are declared Apostates of Islam. The first paragraph of the site, “Refugee From Islam” (http://freedomdefense.typepad.com/leave-islam/) states, “ . . . If you are thinking of leaving Islam, be wary, be careful. Do not tell your Muslim friends or family. The Qur'an commands your death for leaving Islam (4:89 calls for the murder of renegades from the faith), and Muhammad is explicit in a hadith: "If anyone changes his religion, kill him" (Bukhari). Many, many 'honor killings' have been committed for "crimes" that are in Islamic law considered far less serious than leaving Islam. . . . “ Many of us have had contact with Muslims, in business, casually within the community, as personal acquaintances, you are not unique in contacts with Muslims. Even so, if it comes to a difference between their friends and the Qur’an the Qur’an will dominate or they are Apostate of Islam. yes i do believe that same way there are millions of Christians who dont follow the bible to the letter! they call themselves muslims then they are it is not for you a non muslim to tell them they are not , they are
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2016 15:37:38 GMT
I live in a multi cultural society with Muslims it's been this way ever since I was born and we live quit happily together , my best friend is a Muslim she acts damn well nicer and more decent than a lot of Christians I've had the Mia fortune to know . There is a very big and real distinction between the extremists and the moderate Muslims my community is living proof of that . That's the reality what is so hard to comprehed about the FACT that it doesn't matter how nice your friend might be. she is obviously not a true muslim. REALITY hon. true believers of ANY religion follow at least the basic commandments of that religion. the primary, the most basic commandment of the cult called islam, coming directly from allah, is that EVERY true muslim is required to murder or enslave EVERY non muslim that they encounter. obviously, the ONLY trrue muslims are the terrorists. the simple fact is that even most of those who are not actively true muslims support those who are. tell me just one muzzie leader who has publicly stated that the danish cartoonist, and everyone else, have the right to mock the baby raper if they so desire. tell me just one muzzie leader who has publicly stated that the afghans have no right to riot because somebody is burning a qu'ran. all of those of you who think the muzzies are just perfectly nice people need to learn a little about what you're talking about rather than just parroting the pc stupidity and we all know you're not a true Christian so dont keep calling yourself one! you are living in sin every day , according to the bible you should be married , you're not so you're not a true Christian , you cant have it both ways!
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2016 15:39:19 GMT
Gibby, offered, “ . . . Well there are plenty of Christians who call themselves Christians who don't follow all of the bible either so that argument don't wash with me. She is a Muslim. . . “ Gibby, you’re comparing apples and oranges, and that is (in my opinion) disrespectful to Muslims. The Muslim ‘must’ follow the words of the Qur’an as they ‘are’ the revealed word of God. Through the Angel Gabriel direct to the last Prophet, Muhammad. This is to be taken as the words of the Qur’an as read and then say them are as if direct from God to your ear. There is no interpretation possible. If there is any question of meaning the Muslim is to use the words of the Hadith which are the descriptions of Muhammad (the perfection of Islam) acting the Qur’an. Christianity has no equivalent. The words of the bible are selected words (edited words) of inspired writers, a very different thing. Interpretation, beginning with which inspired writers are selected and what their words mean, has existed since the writings of Paul (about the years 50 to 75). Even then there are (among scholars) dialog as to which of Paul’s writings are his and which are not. Then too many of the writings were rejected, for example there are no writings by women which were selected. In part this reality of Christianity exists due to another element that exists in Christianity that doesn’t exist in Islam. That is Free Will. In Christianity this exists as a necessity so that the individual can make the choice to become Christian or not. And even then whether to remain as a Christian or not. And that individual is free to return to Christianity on his/her decision. Within this concept there exists interpretation of the writings of those who were inspired to write the Books of the Bible. That is why there are so many different versions of the Bible. And this doesn’t even address the impact of associated writings such as the writings of the Gnostics. This is not true in Islam. There is the word of the Qur’an, that is, the revealed words of Allah. There is a major difference between the two sects of Islam (together they represent about 98 plus percent of all Muslims) and that is primarily how the current leader of Islam is selected. But make no mistake, the individual Muslim must follow the words of Islam. During the month of Ramadan they should speak all the verses of the Qur’an and if possible in Arabic. Those not following these requirements are apostate and subject to a sentence of death. You don’t have to believe me, go to any Imam and ask them.I also agree with the words of Iamjumbo and Bushadmirer with this caveat. With the Hadith associated with the Qur'an, those of Islam 'are' required to look down on the Jews. They allow them to practice their religion (as they are considered People of the Book) if they pay a ransom, but Muhammad when he went from Mecca to Medina murdered all of the males of an entire Jewish village, not because they physically resisted, but because they simply would not give up their Jewish religion. He and his (then) 12 year old wife sat and watched day after day as these males were killed and thrown in a trench. This is an example by the perfect Muslim (Muhammad) as recorded in the Hadith. that is wrong! they will not be subject to a sentence of death, that is laughable really laughable that you actually think that!
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2016 15:40:13 GMT
You really do talk a load of bollocks , i can only give you the truth hon. i cannot, and wouldn't were i able to, force you to open your eyes and accept it. i turn on the light for you, but, when you choose to continue to keep your eyes closed, the bruises and contusions that you suffer as a result of your stumbling around in the darkness are totally on you and yet more crap....
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Post by iamjumbo on May 20, 2016 15:41:29 GMT
what is so hard to comprehed about the FACT that it doesn't matter how nice your friend might be. she is obviously not a true muslim. REALITY hon. true believers of ANY religion follow at least the basic commandments of that religion. the primary, the most basic commandment of the cult called islam, coming directly from allah, is that EVERY true muslim is required to murder or enslave EVERY non muslim that they encounter. obviously, the ONLY trrue muslims are the terrorists. the simple fact is that even most of those who are not actively true muslims support those who are. tell me just one muzzie leader who has publicly stated that the danish cartoonist, and everyone else, have the right to mock the baby raper if they so desire. tell me just one muzzie leader who has publicly stated that the afghans have no right to riot because somebody is burning a qu'ran. all of those of you who think the muzzies are just perfectly nice people need to learn a little about what you're talking about rather than just parroting the pc stupidity and we all know you're not a true Christian so dont keep calling yourself one! you are living in sin every day , according to the bible you should be married , you're not so you're not a true Christian , you cant have it both ways! wrong hon. obviously, i am not following the comandment to be married, but, that is not an essential part of christianity. your friend, and others, are not following the BASIC, foremost commandments of islam. they are not just violating a little directive, they are violating everything that islam stands for
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Post by iamjumbo on May 20, 2016 15:44:53 GMT
Gibby, offered, “ . . . Well there are plenty of Christians who call themselves Christians who don't follow all of the bible either so that argument don't wash with me. She is a Muslim. . . “ Gibby, you’re comparing apples and oranges, and that is (in my opinion) disrespectful to Muslims. The Muslim ‘must’ follow the words of the Qur’an as they ‘are’ the revealed word of God. Through the Angel Gabriel direct to the last Prophet, Muhammad. This is to be taken as the words of the Qur’an as read and then say them are as if direct from God to your ear. There is no interpretation possible. If there is any question of meaning the Muslim is to use the words of the Hadith which are the descriptions of Muhammad (the perfection of Islam) acting the Qur’an. Christianity has no equivalent. The words of the bible are selected words (edited words) of inspired writers, a very different thing. Interpretation, beginning with which inspired writers are selected and what their words mean, has existed since the writings of Paul (about the years 50 to 75). Even then there are (among scholars) dialog as to which of Paul’s writings are his and which are not. Then too many of the writings were rejected, for example there are no writings by women which were selected. In part this reality of Christianity exists due to another element that exists in Christianity that doesn’t exist in Islam. That is Free Will. In Christianity this exists as a necessity so that the individual can make the choice to become Christian or not. And even then whether to remain as a Christian or not. And that individual is free to return to Christianity on his/her decision. Within this concept there exists interpretation of the writings of those who were inspired to write the Books of the Bible. That is why there are so many different versions of the Bible. And this doesn’t even address the impact of associated writings such as the writings of the Gnostics. This is not true in Islam. There is the word of the Qur’an, that is, the revealed words of Allah. There is a major difference between the two sects of Islam (together they represent about 98 plus percent of all Muslims) and that is primarily how the current leader of Islam is selected. But make no mistake, the individual Muslim must follow the words of Islam. During the month of Ramadan they should speak all the verses of the Qur’an and if possible in Arabic. Those not following these requirements are apostate and subject to a sentence of death. You don’t have to believe me, go to any Imam and ask them.I also agree with the words of Iamjumbo and Bushadmirer with this caveat. With the Hadith associated with the Qur'an, those of Islam 'are' required to look down on the Jews. They allow them to practice their religion (as they are considered People of the Book) if they pay a ransom, but Muhammad when he went from Mecca to Medina murdered all of the males of an entire Jewish village, not because they physically resisted, but because they simply would not give up their Jewish religion. He and his (then) 12 year old wife sat and watched day after day as these males were killed and thrown in a trench. This is an example by the perfect Muslim (Muhammad) as recorded in the Hadith. that is wrong! they will not be subject to a sentence of death, that is laughable really laughable that you actually think that! no hon. it is truly sad that you refuse to acknowledge reality. what the hell do you think happened with salmon rushdie? so you think that all the muslim girls who are murdered by their father or brother because they wore a skirt is fine? how do you figure that all the girls held as sex slaves by the numerous muzz ie gangs all over the uk are just fine? NONE of those things are done by islamic "extremists". they are done by the muzz ie next door to you
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