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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2016 21:21:52 GMT
Hi Bush Admirer, you are not really saying that are you? That is hard for me to believe. It seems that you don't have any respect for human life. As I said to Menantol If the intruder aimed a gun at you then that would be a different kettle of fish altogether, you would have the right to shoot him if you thought it was necessary. Bush Admirer can obviously speak for himself. But I’ll offer, if someone breaks into my home, trapping them or not, they have already broken the law and initiated aggressive actions against my family. I have too much respect for life to allow someone to take steps that will end in harming me or my family. To not understand that reality is to demonstrate complete disregard for life.
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Post by DAS (formerly BushAdmirer) on May 8, 2016 21:53:03 GMT
Hi Bush Admirer, you are not really saying that are you? That is hard for me to believe. It seems that you don't have any respect for human life. As I said to Menantol If the intruder aimed a gun at you then that would be a different kettle of fish altogether, you would have the right to shoot him if you thought it was necessary. Bush Admirer can obviously speak for himself. But I’ll offer, if someone breaks into my home, trapping them or not, they have already broken the law and initiated aggressive actions against my family. I have too much respect for life to allow someone to take steps that will end in harming me or my family. To not understand that reality is to demonstrate complete disregard for life. I'm on the same page with IamJumbo on this issue. A dead criminal is a win-win for society. He's not going to break into any more houses or commit any more robberies. He's not going to require another prison cell with all the attendant taxpayer expenses. I can't think of a better outcome. iamjumbo ♫anna♫ kronks @menantol
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Post by ♫anna♫ on May 9, 2016 0:38:55 GMT
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2016 5:46:11 GMT
And now there are two politically correct things going on:
One is "ban the box" that is on your application for new employees or for new renters, it was once okay if you asked them to check a box if they had problems with the law (arrested or something like that, now they want to remove that box so that being a criminal isn't held against them.
And, if they have been to jail you are not suppose to refer to them as a felon or a criminal or a con, because it will make them feel bad.
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Post by ♫anna♫ on May 9, 2016 7:54:29 GMT
And now there are two politically correct things going on: One is "ban the box" that is on your application for new employees or for new renters, it was once okay if you asked them to check a box if they had problems with the law (arrested or something like that, now they want to remove that box so that being a criminal isn't held against them. And, if they have been to jail you are not suppose to refer to them as a felon or a criminal or a con, because it will make them feel bad. This is shocking! I suppose in the US it's illegal now to prefer not to rent to registered sex offenders and pedophiles with a history of violence. I suspect most European countries don't have the Orwellian federal government's fair housing act that forces home owners to sell and rent to whoever the Washington central government dictates.
The "entitlement mentality" is a toxic psychological trait often found in criminals. The political correctness sickness is based on toxic mentalities such as guilt tripping and the sense of entitlement.
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2016 18:36:18 GMT
This is why citizens should become aware and become involved. In my community this ‘Ban the Box’ political movement has been working to have this become a city code that asking such a question is against the law. The idea is that it makes it too difficult for these people to reenter society. They make the point that after the application is accepted the business or landlord can perform the due diligence to investigate the individual and in that way become aware.
The proposed code however, has in it the restriction that even then the business or landlord cannot reject the person without a good business reason. To determine if it is a good business reason it is left to the local government Human Rights commission to decide. This places the local government into the business of deciding what is a good business reason in the private sector.
There are a number of us locally who are fighting this effort to ‘Ban the Box’ and so far we have been successful. But it isn’t over and they are working at coming back.
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Post by Scottish Lassie on May 23, 2016 3:27:46 GMT
Hi Menantol, Apparently the boys were not armed, so there was no need to shoot them. The person was obviously not in fear of his life, so that was murder.!!!
As for giving a criminal a second chance, some do turn over a new leaf and don't reoffend. If the neighbourhood finds out the address of the person, he could be terrorised which would also be criminal behaviour. A case of tit for tat behaviour without a doubt. It never ends.!!!
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2016 6:33:30 GMT
Hi Menantol, Apparently the boys were not armed, so there was no need to shoot them. The person was obviously not in fear of his life, so that was murder.!!! As for giving a criminal a second chance, some do turn over a new leaf and don't reoffend. If the neighbourhood finds out the address of the person, he could be terrorised which would also be criminal behaviour. A case of tit for tat behaviour without a doubt. It never ends.!!! Scottish Lassie, you really are divorced from reality. If someone breaks into your home they have already given up any consideration for mitigation of defensive action. However, more importantly the homeowner has no idea if they are armed or not and if armed, in what manner. As the home owner all you know is that someone has broken into your home and your family is at threat. So, I guess from the mythical world you live in, you then set down with those who broke in and do a survey with them. Did they know that they were breaking into someone’s private property? Did they have some reason to make it justified breaking-in? Would they just take what they want and then leave? Are they armed? Will they please sit and wait for the homeowner to call the police? Will they wait until the police get there? You simply do not get it. They broke into the home. They have no rights to any respect or mitigation of any defensive action. Maybe all they want to do is to rape your wife. I guess with you that is okay, just don’t hurt those who broke in to the home. It is attitudes such as yours that cause an increase in violence. One day I received a telephone call from the County Sheriff. A lady had come to him and complained that people at night were knocking on her door and that by the time the police got there, they had gone. He recommended for her to purchase a gun and then attend my weapons training class. Guess what? She was 77 years old and lived alone. It wouldn’t matter if the perpetrators were armed or not as they could attack her with almost no effort at all. The only immediate defense she had was to be armed and train with a weapon. But apparently in your world it wouldn’t matter if she had to use a wheelchair, just don’t shoot those attacking unless they shoot first. I’m really glad that you aren’t making the laws where I live because there would then be an increase in home invasions and deaths. Today, the only shootings we have in my city are between gang or gang wannabe youth. Even then it is getting increasingly difficult for them to cause such actions. My county has the highest rate of licensed and trained citizens in the State. Within a block in any direction from my house nearly half of the citizens are licensed for concealed carry. We have in one direction the head of the city police drug task force, in another direction is the former mayor and just across the street from him are two former members of the board of Supervisors and in another direction is another dog trainer who (like myself) trains dogs for police work. All of us are licensed to carry concealed weapons. Ours is a very peaceful neighborhood. In fact it is so safe here that at the time of Halloween parents bring their child here because it is know as a safe area. We have had discussions such as the one you and I are having and after listening to you they would just walk away shaking their head mumbling that you are a victim just waiting to happen. It is truly sad and scary to see people with beliefs such as yours that are based on some mythical idea of what the world is like. What you knowingly do, is to depend on others to take the responsibility that you should be taking and in so doing you allow them to put their life in danger because of your lack of responsibility. Now there is negative karma that you can take into the next life.
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Post by iamjumbo on May 23, 2016 11:10:54 GMT
Hi Menantol, Apparently the boys were not armed, so there was no need to shoot them. The person was obviously not in fear of his life, so that was murder.!!! As for giving a criminal a second chance, some do turn over a new leaf and don't reoffend. If the neighbourhood finds out the address of the person, he could be terrorised which would also be criminal behaviour. A case of tit for tat behaviour without a doubt. It never ends.!!! if a worthless piece of shyt is breaking into your house, whether or not it is armed has NO relevance. you kill it
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Post by iamjumbo on May 23, 2016 11:20:31 GMT
Hi Menantol, Apparently the boys were not armed, so there was no need to shoot them. The person was obviously not in fear of his life, so that was murder.!!! As for giving a criminal a second chance, some do turn over a new leaf and don't reoffend. If the neighbourhood finds out the address of the person, he could be terrorised which would also be criminal behaviour. A case of tit for tat behaviour without a doubt. It never ends.!!! Scottish Lassie, you really are divorced from reality. If someone breaks into your home they have already given up any consideration for mitigation of defensive action. However, more importantly the homeowner has no idea if they are armed or not and if armed, in what manner. As the home owner all you know is that someone has broken into your home and your family is at threat. So, I guess from the mythical world you live in, you then set down with those who broke in and do a survey with them. Did they know that they were breaking into someone’s private property? Did they have some reason to make it justified breaking-in? Would they just take what they want and then leave? Are they armed? Will they please sit and wait for the homeowner to call the police? Will they wait until the police get there? You simply do not get it. They broke into the home. They have no rights to any respect or mitigation of any defensive action. Maybe all they want to do is to rape your wife. I guess with you that is okay, just don’t hurt those who broke in to the home. It is attitudes such as yours that cause an increase in violence. One day I received a telephone call from the County Sheriff. A lady had come to him and complained that people at night were knocking on her door and that by the time the police got there, they had gone. He recommended for her to purchase a gun and then attend my weapons training class. Guess what? She was 77 years old and lived alone. It wouldn’t matter if the perpetrators were armed or not as they could attack her with almost no effort at all. The only immediate defense she had was to be armed and train with a weapon. But apparently in your world it wouldn’t matter if she had to use a wheelchair, just don’t shoot those attacking unless they shoot first. I’m really glad that you aren’t making the laws where I live because there would then be an increase in home invasions and deaths. Today, the only shootings we have in my city are between gang or gang wannabe youth. Even then it is getting increasingly difficult for them to cause such actions. My county has the highest rate of licensed and trained citizens in the State. Within a block in any direction from my house nearly half of the citizens are licensed for concealed carry. We have in one direction the head of the city police drug task force, in another direction is the former mayor and just across the street from him are two former members of the board of Supervisors and in another direction is another dog trainer who (like myself) trains dogs for police work. All of us are licensed to carry concealed weapons. Ours is a very peaceful neighborhood. In fact it is so safe here that at the time of Halloween parents bring their child here because it is know as a safe area. We have had discussions such as the one you and I are having and after listening to you they would just walk away shaking their head mumbling that you are a victim just waiting to happen. It is truly sad and scary to see people with beliefs such as yours that are based on some mythical idea of what the world is like. What you knowingly do, is to depend on others to take the responsibility that you should be taking and in so doing you allow them to put their life in danger because of your lack of responsibility. Now there is negative karma that you can take into the next life. obviously, you are a million percent correct. on the flip side, however, there is the little point that we would definitely NOT want those with loony ideas such as scottish lassi to be armed. there is nothing worse than having a fool armed who is too chicken to use it. they call those people DEAD. folks like scottish lassie just have to always hope that a normal person such as you and i will get there with gun before they are murdered
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Post by Scottish Lassie on May 24, 2016 23:49:34 GMT
Hi Menantol, Apparently the boys were not armed, so there was no need to shoot them. The person was obviously not in fear of his life, so that was murder.!!! As for giving a criminal a second chance, some do turn over a new leaf and don't reoffend. If the neighbourhood finds out the address of the person, he could be terrorised which would also be criminal behaviour. A case of tit for tat behaviour without a doubt. It never ends.!!! Scottish Lassie, you really are divorced from reality. If someone breaks into your home they have already given up any consideration for mitigation of defensive action. However, more importantly the homeowner has no idea if they are armed or not and if armed, in what manner. As the home owner all you know is that someone has broken into your home and your family is at threat. So, I guess from the mythical world you live in, you then set down with those who broke in and do a survey with them. Did they know that they were breaking into someone’s private property? Did they have some reason to make it justified breaking-in? Would they just take what they want and then leave? Are they armed? Will they please sit and wait for the homeowner to call the police? Will they wait until the police get there? You simply do not get it. They broke into the home. They have no rights to any respect or mitigation of any defensive action. Maybe all they want to do is to rape your wife. I guess with you that is okay, just don’t hurt those who broke in to the home. It is attitudes such as yours that cause an increase in violence. One day I received a telephone call from the County Sheriff. A lady had come to him and complained that people at night were knocking on her door and that by the time the police got there, they had gone. He recommended for her to purchase a gun and then attend my weapons training class. Guess what? She was 77 years old and lived alone. It wouldn’t matter if the perpetrators were armed or not as they could attack her with almost no effort at all. The only immediate defense she had was to be armed and train with a weapon. But apparently in your world it wouldn’t matter if she had to use a wheelchair, just don’t shoot those attacking unless they shoot first. I’m really glad that you aren’t making the laws where I live because there would then be an increase in home invasions and deaths. Today, the only shootings we have in my city are between gang or gang wannabe youth. Even then it is getting increasingly difficult for them to cause such actions. My county has the highest rate of licensed and trained citizens in the State. Within a block in any direction from my house nearly half of the citizens are licensed for concealed carry. We have in one direction the head of the city police drug task force, in another direction is the former mayor and just across the street from him are two former members of the board of Supervisors and in another direction is another dog trainer who (like myself) trains dogs for police work. All of us are licensed to carry concealed weapons. Ours is a very peaceful neighborhood. In fact it is so safe here that at the time of Halloween parents bring their child here because it is know as a safe area. We have had discussions such as the one you and I are having and after listening to you they would just walk away shaking their head mumbling that you are a victim just waiting to happen. It is truly sad and scary to see people with beliefs such as yours that are based on some mythical idea of what the world is like. What you knowingly do, is to depend on others to take the responsibility that you should be taking and in so doing you allow them to put their life in danger because of your lack of responsibility. Now there is negative karma that you can take into the next life. Do you think so menantol? You think that the physical plane is the reality as you see yourself as the body, whereas I see myself as Soul occupying a body. The body is thought of as a temple for Soul and you can contemplate on the true reality which is spiritual. The physical plane is a school for learning, and learn we will, eventually.!!!
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2016 0:16:26 GMT
Scottish Lassie offered, “ . . . Do you think so menantol? You think that the physical plane is the reality as you see yourself as the body, whereas I see myself as Soul occupying a body. The body is thought of as a temple for Soul and you can contemplate on the true reality which is spiritual. The physical plane is a school for learning, and learn we will, eventually.!!! . . . “
Scottish Lassie, with all due respect, you can be ‘Soul’ all you want and welcome to it, but in truth it has nothing to do with the reality of living in the temporal world.
Nor does it have anything to do with what we were discussing. It is merely a way to leave a dialog when one has nothing to contribute. Some of us are more than a little familiar with the stuff you assert about the Soul, various planes to live on, and others have addressed it all in far more detail and knowledge than your leaders(?) have ever mouthed. And you know what? All of it doesn’t add an ort of food to the meal, it doesn’t assist a single child in distress, it doesn’t help people with relationships, or stop any war.
It is simply a mythical dream to justify for people to remove from reality. But hey, have at it.
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Post by Scottish Lassie on May 25, 2016 0:33:18 GMT
Hi Menantol, wouldn't teaching children at an early age how they should behave, be a better way to go rather than providing people with guns with the intention of using them at the least pretext? It seems to be a case of shoot first then ask questions later. Which certainly doesn't help the person who has been shot.
It doesn't seem to matter to you that innocent people have lost their lives because of this attitude. You may think that is alright, but I'm sure the next of kin of the victim doesn't see it your way. You really have no right to kill anyone just because you think you have the right.
As has been proven, the fellow who shot the boys has been charged with murder. You can't go around shooting people at the drop of a hat, and it seems that people are beginning to realise that. In my estimation the people in America seem to be trigger happy.
Children have been well known for knocking on doors and running away they apparently think it is fun.I would just ignore it. I wouldn't be so foolish as to answer the door at night anyway. If they kept knocking I would ask them what they wanted from behind a closed door. I still have a metal screen door that would protect me in the event of me opening the first door. If I heard someone breaking in I would be scooting out the back door or a window if need be. I certainly wouldn't be hanging around, that's for sure.
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Post by Scottish Lassie on May 25, 2016 2:08:11 GMT
PS And by the way Menantol, to me losing furniture or money would be preferable to me than having a dead person on my conscience. If you believed in the law of Karma you would see it that way too. Inanimate things will never be more valuable than a person's life even though that person is a criminal.
The physical plane has been created so that Soul may learn by its experiences. Life in this plane is truly very interesting and can be either pleasant or a misery depending on how you relate to it by your reactions to what you experience. Every move we make affects what happens to us which ofcourse is known as Karma.
I think you are aware of this, but in order for you to believe in it completely you have to also believe in reincarnation which ofcourse you don't, which is why we don't see eye to eye. That is definitely a problem of sorts, but it is evidently insurmounible at the present time, so I guess we both have to accept the situation.
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2016 2:45:51 GMT
Scottish Lassie you have not only misconstrued my intent but changed the point into something never stated. For example:
“ . . . wouldn't teaching children at an early age how they should behave, be a better way to go rather than providing people with guns with the intention of using them at the least pretext? . . . “
None of this was stated and exists only in your mind. I have never advocated anything but teaching youth at an early age the way to act in any society. Today I often talk with parents and with preachers and suggest that they are not meeting their responsibilities of teaching children personal and community responsibility. This begins with simple basics such as teaching self-respect, how to dress demonstrating that self-respect, that their own self-respect means nothing without accepting respect for others.
Just providing people with guns is also something I have never suggested, rather, that when they acquire guns they should attend weapons training that is more than just pulling the trigger as they learn the applicable laws and community responsibility. In addition, (at my classes) they should learn what weapons use does to bodies. Getting a dead hog from a local slaughter house, putting it up as the target and shooting it quickly demonstrates that a bullet makes a small hole going in but a very large hole exiting. One of the weapons I use, a ACP 45 with hollow-nose bullets, leaves a ‘very’ large exist hole. With some students (with accompanying parent’s permission) I have taken some students to the local humane society so they can witness the putting of an animal to death where they can see the eyes close as the animal dies. Most people have never seen an animal die and it sticks with them.
Using guns at the least pretext is a myth promulgated by anti-gunners who have no idea of guns, and this extends into the cowboy myth of ‘shooting first and asking questions later’.
Your comment, “ . . . It doesn't seem to matter to you that innocent people have lost their lives because of this attitude. You may think that is alright, but I'm sure the next of kin of the victim doesn't see it your way. . . “ is insulting in the extreme and doesn’t represent people who have been trained with gun use. To them life is precious. There is no second chance. There is no doing it over in a different life. It is now, it is critical, and taken very seriously by people trained in the use of guns. The taking of a life always takes from the shooter. The shooter pays a price even when justified. To not understand that is to have no understanding of life and all people’s responsibility toward that life.
Your additional comments, “ . . . As has been proven, the fellow who shot the boys has been charged with murder. You can't go around shooting people at the drop of a hat, and it seems that people are beginning to realise that. In my estimation the people in America seem to be trigger happy. . . “ are simply further examples of your lack of knowledge in this area. You seem to believe a myth of gun use derived from movies and books and that is truly sad. Charged with the crime is one thing and when someone is killed, or even harmed, the charging is usually apropos, but often this may not mean guilty, the case will proceed to final verdict, at least wait that long before getting the hanging noose.
Your final comments, “ . . . Children have been well known for knocking on doors and running away they apparently think it is fun.I would just ignore it. I wouldn't be so foolish as to answer the door at night anyway. If they kept knocking I would ask them what they wanted from behind a closed door. I still have a metal screen door that would protect me in the event of me opening the first door. If I heard someone breaking in I would be scooting out the back door or a window if need be. I certainly wouldn't be hanging around, that's for sure. . . . “ demonstrates how people end up being killed for lack of self-responsibility. They also demonstrate an attitude which is destroying our modern day society and that is making excuses for those who have no caring about other people and/or their property.
I will suggest again, your attitude relative to guns puts abject fear into police officers. They know that they cannot do their job alone and they know that assault and murder are usually over before they arrive at the scene. They know that protection is rarely what they can do and that most of the job is catching the bad guy and hauling the bodies away. Your attitude sets up people as potential victims and entices the bad guys into acts they would never do. And your attitude places police in more dangerous positions.
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Post by Scottish Lassie on May 25, 2016 2:48:47 GMT
Hi Iamjumbo, your remarks would be funny ha ha if the situation were not so serious. Owning and having a gun in your hand is an attitude of aggression. How are the people of this world ever going to learn to have peaceful thoughts and therfore peaceful intentions, when everyone is armed for violence.
In order to protect my life I certainly wouldn't have a gun in my hand. If attacked I would no doubt stuggle and try my best to escape which I have the right to do. In my belief as an ECKist, I would know that I deserved to be having this confrontation because of a past action, but I would still have the right to protect the body,
But if in a past life I had killed this person then I guess I am going to die as a result. I have no problems with that, as the books have to be balanced. It is only when you become a member of ECKANKAR that you know this, so you have the knowledge that you can prevent a tit for tat situation going on for ever. You have the understanding that can help you to have a more pleasant future, you are really in control of your life then.
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Post by Scottish Lassie on May 25, 2016 3:16:33 GMT
Hi Menantol, I am certainly not meaning to insult your intelligence. I do respect and care about people. But I do believe that we have to learn to remove aggressive thoughts from our minds. Buying a gun in the first place shows that the person has aggressive intentions and this is certainly not the way to ever prevent people from being killed, it just makes it easier to be able to kill. A person on the spur of the moment or in panic fire the gun before they have had a chance to think things through. Had they not been so trigger happy the results might have ended up different, with no lives lost.
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Post by Scottish Lassie on May 25, 2016 3:47:54 GMT
Hi Iamjumbo, I think I have touched on this attitude already. If a worthless piece of shyt is breaking into your house, whether or not it is armed has no relevance. You kill it. If the person was breaking into your house in order to take some food from your fridge because they were very hungry, would you still kill them without a moment's hesitation?
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2016 5:23:19 GMT
Thank you Scottish Lassie. Your comments to me and to Iamjumbe has provided me with some of the best laughing I've had in ages. You really ought to start writing fiction because you don't believe what we say about guns, a subject of which you don't know anything.
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Post by Scottish Lassie on May 26, 2016 21:58:38 GMT
Thank you Scottish Lassie. Your comments to me and to Iamjumbe has provided me with some of the best laughing I've had in ages. You really ought to start writing fiction because you don't believe what we say about guns, a subject of which you don't know anything. Hi Menantol, I like to see and hear someone having a hearty laugh, that's my good deed for the day taken care of then.!!! I don't see why it should be considered fiction though. I am having the experiences that lead me to believe that what I say is true, so it happens to be my perspective on life. I am evidently being shown more to life than you are, hence my viewpoint.
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