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Post by DAS (formerly BushAdmirer) on Jun 27, 2014 20:14:40 GMT
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Post by DAS (formerly BushAdmirer) on Jun 28, 2014 13:37:37 GMT
Pakistan family slits throats of young couple over love marriage
By Mubasher Bukhari
LAHORE Pakistan (Reuters) - A young couple in Pakistan were tied up and had their throats slit with scythes after they married for love, police said Saturday.
The 17-year-old girl and 31-year-old man married on June 18 without the consent of their families in eastern Pakistan's Punjabi village of Satrah, police said.
The girl's mother and father lured the couple home late on Thursday with the promise that their marriage would receive a family blessing, said local police official Rana Zashid.
"When the couple reached there, they tied them with ropes," he said. "He (the girl's father) cut their throats."
Police arrested the family, who said they had been embarrassed by the marriage of their daughter, named Muafia Hussein, to a man from a less important tribe.
Cultural traditions in many areas of Pakistan mean that killing a woman whose behavior is seen as immodest is widely accepted.
Immodest behavior that sparked recent killings included singing, looking out of the window or talking to a man who is not a relative. For a woman to marry a man of her own choice is considered an unacceptable insult by many families.
The Human Rights Commission of Pakistan said 869 so-called "honor killings" were reported in the media last year - several a day. But the true figure is probably much higher since many cases are never reported.
The weak Pakistani government, battling with a troubled economy and a Taliban insurgency, does not collect centralized statistics and has no strategy to combat the killings.
Pakistani law means that even if a woman's killer is convicted, her family are able to forgive the killer.
Many families simply nominate a member to do the killing, then formally forgive the killer.
That's what happened earlier this week, a lawyer said, when a tribal council in central Pakistan's Muzaffargarh district sentenced another young couple to death for marrying for love.
The couple's lawyer, Zia Kiyyani, said the two had appealed for police protection after their marriage on June 21, but had not received any.
The 19-year-old girl's family came to take her from her husband's family, swearing on the Koran that they would not harm her and would hold a proper wedding ceremony, he said.
"During this the girl shouted, cried and mourned for her life and her husband's life because she knew that they will kill both of them," he said.
The girl, named Mehreen Bibi, was shot by a member of her family when she returned home, police said. Her husband went into hiding and her father registered the murder complaint so he could forgive the killer, Kiyyani said.
"That will end the case," he said.
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Post by Big Lin on Jun 29, 2014 22:46:51 GMT
Islam is no more monolithic than Christianity or Judaism.
ALL so-called honour killings are tribal things and are NOT supported in the Quran.
And there are seven different forms of Sharia law for that matter rather than the monolithic 'one' that people with a vested interest in fomenting hatred try to pretend.
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Post by DAS (formerly BushAdmirer) on Jul 4, 2014 0:11:44 GMT
I certainly do believe that our world would be a better place if all religions could be eradicated from the face of the earth. They are all the inventions of man and non of them have even an ounce of validity.
However, Islam is the worst of a bad lot. It breeds terrorism. No doubt about that.
There are indeed many Muslims who abhor terrorists and are good people. They are irrelevant. What matters is that Islam produces minorities like the Taliban, ISIL, Al Queda, etc.
It is much like Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan. Most of the German people were good folks. Ditto for the Japanese people. In both cases that was irrelevant. Their societies enabled the emergence of horrific governments. That's what matters.
We need to rid the world of Islam and the sooner the better.
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Post by Big Lin on Jul 7, 2014 20:43:00 GMT
I certainly do believe that our world would be a better place if all religions could be eradicated from the face of the earth. They are all the inventions of man and non of them have even an ounce of validity. However, Islam is the worst of a bad lot. It breeds terrorism. No doubt about that. There are indeed many Muslims who abhor terrorists and are good people. They are irrelevant. What matters is that Islam produces minorities like the Taliban, ISIL, Al Queda, etc. It is much like Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan. Most of the German people were good folks. Ditto for the Japanese people. In both cases that was irrelevant. Their societies enabled the emergence of horrific governments. That's what matters. We need to rid the world of Islam and the sooner the better. I don't think the track record of atheist regimes when they've been in power has been anything to boast about. en Atheists have shown themselves every bit as intolerant as any other kind of ideology when they've been in power - the Soviet Union, China, Cambodia, North Korea. Even in the US they have made themselves look cheap, stupid and malicious by stunts like preventing people putting up crosses to remember the dead. As usual the problem isn't WHAT'S being believed - however irrational - as the INTOLERANCE of different points of view. In the majority of Muslim countries the people are NOT fanatics and do NOT support or engage in terrorism. (And plenty of terrorists act out of non-religious reasons like the atheist Naxalites, the Hindu Tamil Tigers, the atheist Shining Path. The Catholicism of the IRA and ETA hardly entered into the thinking of their terrorist leaders). So let's have some intellectual honesty and admit that intolerance - whatever the source - is the problem. It's not Islam - any more than Christianity, Hinduism, Judaism, Buddhism or whatever - but INTOLERANCE that needs to be opposed and fought.
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Post by DAS (formerly BushAdmirer) on Jul 9, 2014 13:48:39 GMT
Lin - You must watch the video linked in my post that started this thread. The woman makes an excellent point that there were lots of good people in the German society that nurtured hitler. The good people were irrelevant. The fact that there were lots of good people isn't the point. It is that German society, at that time, enabled the Nazi movement.
Similarly, Japanese society enabled the rise of Imperial Japan. The majority of Japanese were good people. But they had a society or culture that enabled the bad guys to take over.
Islam is like that. The good people far outnumber the evil ones. But the culture gives rise to terrorism and tolerates it. Hence our world would be a better place without Islam.
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