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Post by toby on Oct 6, 2011 14:22:13 GMT
Lauren posted.:-That is only true if their parents teach them to hate homosexuals, which sadly, most parents do.
Remember, we are all born a blank slate. We know neither how to hate or love. We are taught that.
Toby comments.:- My Parents taught us to pity homosexuals. My Father told us a sad story about a fellow Soldier who was blown up during a WW2 battle, the guy survived but his character changed and he became very effeminate as a result of being blown up and he started minceing, posing and thraping and was later avoided by Hetero's as a result.
I find this very sad !
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Post by jihu on Oct 6, 2011 15:08:53 GMT
I don't think our young people are any better than we were, except for the fact that many gays are no longer in the closet. That is only true if their parents teach them to hate homosexuals, which sadly, most parents do. Remember, we are all born a blank slate. We know neither how to hate or love. We are taught that. Hi Toby, You are incorrect. I have a son who hates homosexuals, while I brought up all of my children to treat all humans like human beings regardless of race, religion, sexual orientation, or anything. In spite of my teachings, or anyone else's teachings, you will find some people who are influenced differently from what they are taught. It could be their peers that make their differences more than their parents. When my wife and I decided to have children, I made a rule, that we will allow our children to choose their own spouse or lifetime partner, regardless of race, religion, or anything. My children are now all adults, and the rule hasn't changed. My daughter married someone of a different race, and we welcomed him to the family. Jihu
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Post by ♫anna♫ on Oct 10, 2011 2:07:46 GMT
Good post! I don't think anyone, except maybe victims of horrific sexual abuse from the opposite sex consciously choose to become homosexual. Inborn, imprintation or slow but steady subliminal influences are probably the rule! A conscious and deliberate choice to become a homosexual and learn how to be one is a theoretical exception to the rule here. [/color][/size][/quote] I still strongly disagree (except in the very rare cases where some people conciously chose to be homosexual because of abuse) that homosexuality can be imprinted on someone, or become homosexual through subliminal influences. If we make the argument that we conciously chose whether or not to be homosexual (whether it be through implantation or subliminal messages) then we also have to make the argument that we are all born asexual, and the proper way to be is asexual, and that imprintation and 'subliminal influences' is what makes us either heterosexual or homosexual. Of course this is not true. We are all born with a sexual predisposition. The majority of people are heterosexual, and the minority is either homosexual or asexual. [/quote] Sorry Lauren, about the delay in answering. I've read other articles about woman in other articles becoming homosexual in their 30s. These woman had no history of homosexuality nor homosexual desires prior to this transition.www.cleo.com.au/more-women-switch-sexualities-in-their-thirties.htmMore women become lesbians in their thirtiesNew research reveals that more women are switching their sexualities in their thirties than previously thought. Portia de Rossi did it, Cynthia Nixon embraced it -- now researchers are claiming that late-blooming lesbianism may be a lot more common than we realise. Results from a new study of 200 married lesbians show that there is “great potential for heterosexual women to experience a first same-sex attraction well into adulthood,” reported UK's Telegraph. The study, conducted by Christan Moran of Southern Connecticut State University, also found that many women who experience a change in sexual orientation later in life are reluctant to "come out" for fear of judgement from society and loved ones. The findings concluded that a woman's sexuality can become more fluid with age -- a theory that contradicts scientific consensus that a person's sexuality is determined by genetic factors more so than environmental ones. Moran believes that late-blooming lesbianism is often wrongly perceived as adults finally coming to terms with their "repressed sexuality". "[Most research ignore] the possibility that a heterosexual woman might make a full transition to a singular lesbian identity ... in other words change their sexual orientation.”
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Post by chefmate on Oct 10, 2011 5:02:44 GMT
I think like transgenders, homosexuals are born that way although many spend years trying to deny it and try to live the "right way" that society required.
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Post by toby on Oct 10, 2011 16:08:31 GMT
Jihu posted.:-Hi Toby, You are incorrect. I have a son who hates homosexuals, while I brought up all of my children to treat all humans like human beings regardless of race, religion, sexual orientation, or anything.
Toby comments.:- You are replying to the wrong person.!
I work in Industry and there is widespread despising of homosexuals, the Working Classes seem to take a pride in their sexuality, witness the many and varied Centrefold pictures at their work stations, I never saw a Homosexual inspired picture hanging up !
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Post by DAS (formerly BushAdmirer) on Oct 11, 2011 2:32:45 GMT
I'm convinced that sexual orientation is defined at birth.
When I was a young boy (age 12 to 16), never having experienced a real sexual encounter, I fantasized constantly about naked girls and having sex with them. I can remember getting erections just looking at them while in class at school. Most of my friends were the same way. Sex with girls was a constant topic of discussion on the playground and after school.
On the other hand, the idea of having sex with another male was always repugnant. Just the idea of being touched privately by another man would be as offensive as anything I can imagine.
People are wired with sex drive. They seek to do what comes naturally. They do not want to do what comes unnaturally. That is, they don't unless their wires are crossed.
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Post by iamjumbo on Oct 12, 2011 9:41:53 GMT
I don't think our young people are any better than we were, except for the fact that many gays are no longer in the closet. That is only true if their parents teach them to hate homosexuals, which sadly, most parents do. Remember, we are all born a blank slate. We know neither how to hate or love. We are taught that. wrong. if you put two 2 year olds in a room together, with a pile of toys, one will ALWAYS try to take the toy that the other one has, instead of getting his own. selfishness, greed, etc are inborn. no one is a blank slate
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Post by ♫anna♫ on Feb 26, 2013 4:07:01 GMT
Conversion Therapy or Reparative Therapy may have the potential to change some homosexuals to heterosexuals! Opponents say it may be harmful.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2013 7:26:32 GMT
Good grief Anna, thus thread must have taken some digging out.
Anyway, I'm afraid I shan't be watching the video, but would read something if you posted it.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2013 11:34:59 GMT
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Post by Hunny on Feb 26, 2013 14:44:57 GMT
Well, you see where it says "CBN" in the corner of the video? Yea, that stands for Christian Broadcasting Network. So we're talking about people for whom science is not to be trusted, and facts if they contradict what some cavemen wrote are to be poo poo'd.
For this "network" to want to a) change people b) attempt to make a buzz about it being possible to change
is just their propaganda effort.
I'm sure - since these things happen in degrees, and many arent strictly gay but bi, so they're attracted both ways - that for some a choice can be made which way to go. But these religious..people need to find a way to say ALL can chose, so that their book isnt wrong about it being a sin.
I always find this dubious however because most of the Old testament has been thrown out as not applying to us now, so why on this one thing do they persist in having a fight? Well, because they're fascinated by it. Homosexuality interests them. Now before I start citing statistics about gay men joining the priesthood because they've been guilted by a mythological belief system, I'll just leave it at that.
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Post by Hunny on Feb 26, 2013 14:47:44 GMT
Besides, Gibby's right. They can always just take some gay-away (the christian broadcasters can)..
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Post by Hunny on Feb 26, 2013 15:03:29 GMT
I do see that this thread started with an honest question though. (Is it nature or nurture?) And for some, it's something to explore..to understand things. I dont have any current knowledge of what science has found as to causes, but didn't they find brain structure differences? And arent some people just obviously born the way they are I mean, listen to Chris Crocker's voice in the "Leave Britney alone" video That's not a man's voice! And he didnt 'learn' that. He came out of the chute effeminate, and he has to live with it.
But of course it's at this point in a debate of this subject that an argument is interjected that if it isnt a sin, then it must be a birth defect. mm...couldnt it just be diversity? It happens in so many species. Would you really say to someone's face, "you're a birth defect, a mistake"? I couldnt. Hell the very way evolution supposedly works is by genetic "mistakes" hapening all the time, being there so a species can adapt and so survive. So diversity matters.
Anyway that's what I think. Sexual orientation shouldnt be a cause for condemnation.
That would be mean. And it would defy science.
And the people at CBN do condemn it, so their 'findings' here are subjectively conjured.
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Post by ♫anna♫ on Feb 26, 2013 16:02:54 GMT
I do see that this thread started with an honest question though. (Is it nature or nurture?) It's not easy to condense a debate topic into a thread heading. Learning could mean nurture, imprintation, subliminal and subconscious influences as well. The fact that a disaproportionally high number of homosexuals were victims of sexual abuse from the opposite sex or were raised by a parent of the opposite sex suggest that at least in some cases homosexuality developes after birth. The fact that a disproportionally high number of twins are homosexual suggests that there is a biological basis too.
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Post by ♫anna♫ on Feb 26, 2013 17:21:11 GMT
The Charlene Cothran story is apparently an example of someone being freed of their homosexuality.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2013 17:37:39 GMT
I'd much prefer to be in a society where people were encouraged to be happy with what they are.
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Post by Hunny on Feb 27, 2013 0:17:11 GMT
Yea, but do they really WANT to be "freed" of it or do some people just convince them that they do?
Or is what convinces them a fear of the angry wrath of an imagined invisible omnipotence? (The video is from The 700 Club.. so these are fundamentalists..)
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Post by sadie1263 on Feb 27, 2013 2:02:09 GMT
Are they truly freed? Or do they get to have this people hover over their every move for the rest of their life.....making sure they don't step back over to what they consider the dark side?
Are they free.......or just abiding by the rules of the people around them?
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Post by toby on Mar 1, 2013 20:19:16 GMT
Anna posted.:-The fact that a disproportionally high number of twins are homosexual suggests that there is a biological basis too.
Toby comments.:- Researchers in the USA found that there is a aberrance in a part of the brain that causes homosexuality. Right next to this little area is another area which if aberrant causes religious fervour. Homosexuals in San Francisco obtained a Court Injunction forbidding the facts of Homosexuals and brain disease, to be published.
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